The INTJ Personality

As of late, I’ve been researching personality types and different types of social interaction issues. Naturally, I’ve delved deeper into some of the studies/generalizations revolving around my own type, INTJ.

While I had always known some of them (like holding yourself and others to a high standard, or equating your “heart” to your thoughts rather than your feelings), I was surprised to learn that many of my other traits are also typical of this personality type. Thus, I thought it might be fun to share what I’ve learned/experienced, and ask my readers what type they are as well.

What is the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test?
This is a psychometric multiple choice questionnaire that was created by psychologist Katherine Cook Briggs and her daughter, scientific author Isabel Briggs Myers. Their work extrapolates the theories put forth by the renowned psychiatrist and psychotherapist, Carl Jung. It was first published in 1962, and is in continued use today to measure the preferences an individual has in how they perceive the world and interactions with others, as well as make decisions based on said perceptions. The test can be found here: http://www.16personalities.com.

What do the letters stand for?
Each letter indicates a particular psychological type, which are in turn dichotomies of cognitive functions:

Extraversion VS Introversion

Sensing VS INtuition

Thinking VS Feeling

Judging VS Perception

These combine to form up to 16 distinct personality types, each with it’s own specific way of handling the world. For example, my lover is an ENFP to my INTJ…nearly the exact opposite of myself. He is Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, and Perceptive whereas I am Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, and Judging.

How common are the various types?
The 16 personality possibilities vary greatly according to type and sex. For INTJ, about 2-6% of male test takers are deemed such compared to 1-3% of females. If you’d like to see how prevalent your own type is, try this website: http://www.capt.org.

The INTJ Type
Friendships
Positives:
-Enjoys a small circle of very good friends over larger social groups.
-Offer and expect straightforward communication and honesty.
-Good at creating stories, helping to actively solve problems, and remaining rational in a crisis.
-Often push companions to grow as individuals and think for themselves.
Negatives:
-Can get easily bored by people on lower intellectual levels.
-May have a poor social filter, telling the truth when a “white lie” is more acceptable.
-Typically are unsure of exactly what to do when emotional support is suddenly required.
-Usually engage in puns, dark/self sardonic humor, or dry wit, which some can find trying after a while.

Work
Positives:
-Excel at working in small, like minded groups or solo.
-Value high standards of conduct, earned respect, protocol, and quality.
-Are highly competent and intuitive in their chosen careers.
-Often desire a challenging or intellectually satisfying job over one that pays better.
Negatives:
-Have no time for “teamwork building” games, office gossip, or politics, which can cost them promotions in certain fields.
-Care very little for hierarchy.
-Will inform a superior that they are wrong, usually in a less than tactful way.
-Will attempt to change traditional rules/policies if they are unfair, which can lead to being known as a “troublemaker” or “rebel”.

Relationships
Positives:
-Incredible sense of devotion.
-Are excellent at planning ahead, whether for a first date or anniversary.
-Great memory for the likes/dislikes of their partner.
-See chivalrous actions as unnecessary and sexist against both men and women.
-Are seen as attractive due to their unshakeable self-esteem and dedication to making sure their partners are happy.
Negatives:
-Require large amounts of trust and freedom, even when in a long term relationship.
-Typically need some solitude to collect their thoughts everyday, which can be seen as uncaring or antisocial.
-Approaches issues in the relationship using logic and reason, which is seen as “cold” to newer partners.
-Can drive short term partners away due to constant demands for the same perfections their hold themselves to.
-Do not handle betrayals well at all, and can utterly shatter their sense of reality.

Emotions and Thoughts
Positives:
-Capable of remaining calm during fights or disagreements.
-Will forgive small slights easily.
-Are bastions of confidence in themselves and their abilities.
-Desire for truth over “what feels good”.
-Will only show strong emotions if the situation truly calls for it, making them very reliable.
Negatives:
-Get extremely frustrated when there is no logical way to solve an issue.
-Can become arrogant towards those who are more open about their feelings.
-Are completely out of their element when strong emotional reactions occur.
-Need to be wary of becoming detached from the rest of humanity.

Hobbies
-Are the living stereotypes of every geek or nerd.
-Excel at games of strategy, trade, or resource management.
-Find solitary activities such as building models, painting, reading, or computer programming to be superior to group activities.
-Prefer a comfortable, relaxed environment over a loud, busy one (aka order a pizza and play videogames VS go dancing/flirting at a club).
-Outdoor activities include such things as hiking, rock climbing, biking, running, hunting/shooting, surveying, camping (alone or in small groups), swimming, and snorkeling/diving. I wonder if Calvinball would also qualify… ๐Ÿ˜‰

The “Glare”
-Often deep in thought even when resting, reading, or working alone, INTJ’s frequently (and unconsciously) furrow their brow and narrow their eyes. It’s entirely possible for an INTJ to be reading a favorite book or happily typing up a letter to a dear friend…and yet look like they are ready to kill someone. This is a severe detriment to creating positive relations with new people, who will most likely not approach due to fear of invoking ire.

I’ve personally overcome this by training myself to play funny songs or movies in the back of my mind when I’m in public. As these cause me to smile and don’t disturb people around me, it earns me the constant compliment of “Wow, you are always so nice to be around, Tarnished!” I very much recommend trying similar tricks for my fellow INTJs, especially when attempting to attract mates.

Well, that’s myself and other INTJs in a nutshell. Of course, nothing is set in stone and even if you test as an INTJ, some of this may not describe you…but chances are 90% of it will. So, what type are you?

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117 thoughts on “The INTJ Personality

  1. No idea what type I am…honest (not).

    BTW you mistakenly put “Usually engage in puns, dark/self sardonic humor, or dry wit” in with the negatives.

  2. Okay, I give in, you just described me to a T. Or rather to an INT.

    I remember I was neutral in J vs P. Scored 1 in a range -100 to 100. Can’t remember if that was J or P. The one makes it irrelevant.

    Must check up on J vs P and see what borderline means…unless you know?

  3. BTW speaking of my ‘shining wit’. Would you link that to the ‘British sense of humour’?

    I’ve never really found it hard to get on with other nationalities. They pretty much all laugh to the same degree (so that clearly sucks).

    So I don’t think that the existence of that humour is a British thing, so why is it called that?

    Are we more prone to INT personalities? Does our culture celebrate that humour more?

    Iirc you aren’t of British stock. What do you think?

  4. Just took it again. Pretty sure that my numbers have changed a fair amount since last time.

    I am now INTJ, but not extreme in any dimension.

    PERSONALITY:
    INTJ
    VARIANT:
    ASSERTIVE
    ROLE:
    ANALYST

    Sounds plausible.

  5. This might be the change in the period since I last took the test

    More mature and Assertive INTJs find more useful ways to manage their feelings. While they will never be comfortable with a truly public display of emotions, INTJs can learn to use them, to channel them alongside their logic to help them achieve their goals. While seemingly contradictory, this can be done in several ways.

    Firstly, INTJs are goal-oriented, with long-term ideas founded on sound logic. When something does cause an emotional reaction, good or bad, that energy can be used to further those goals, aiding rational and pre-determined plans. Secondly, emotions are figurative canaries in the coal mine, indicating that something is off even though logic can’t see it yet. These feelings can help INTJs to use their logic to ask questions they may not have thought to ask. “This is upsetting. Why? What can be done to resolve it?”

    Remember my comments to others about using anger positively as motivation, or binning it as destructive?

    The whole of the INTJ analysis rings very true, more true than the numbers might suggest.

    Thanks for the post. Interesting

  6. Spawny, there is no personality type quite like yours. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    My psych teacher said it was uncommon but not unheard of for people to straddle similar types…Obviously your fluctuation between INTJ and INTP is within this possibility, unlike someone who claims they move between ESFP and INTJ.

    As per British humor…I don’t rightly know. I kinda just thought it relied more on slapstick and visuals than American humor does.

  7. IDGAF…Ha! That is my mom’s type, as she refused to take the test I brought home. Ironic that she believes a scientifically tested psychology-based questionnaire is “fake mumbo jumbo”, yet she reads her horoscope everyday and goes to psychics for advice.

    Geez… ๐Ÿ˜›

  8. No laughs at the jokes in 1 & 3?
    Dammit Tarn!
    Are they too ‘advanced’, too subtle, or…*gulp*โ€ฆjust not funny? I genuinely need to know.

  9. Slapstick isn’t my favourite, I can’t stand Mr Bean, for example. Love Laurel & Hardy. Nix for Chaplin. Monty Python? Not really, though it has its moments.
    I like dark, stabby humour. Frankie Boyle, Jack Dee, old Frank Skinner (when he had bite)

  10. Well, it does help Tarn, it does. I like to judge my material and my audience. TBH I’m not sure how much of my ‘top quality humour’ you guys get. Self deprecation isn’t really an American trait, I don’t think. I’m endlessly curious about when, if and how it’s perceived by other cultures, but particularly by Americans. We share a language (pretty much) which makes the humour gap more interesting (to me anyway).
    No problem with Cill et al, I’m sure.
    Do you remember the guy I talked about, that died? He was American, we hit it off spectacularly well, at a deep level. But he had a very convoluted mental health history. I don’t (none), especially not if you factor in INTJ and English. Interestinger.

  11. I’m that big meany they warned yenz bout ;@)

    ESTJ

    lol .. it is said at the self assessment before your results are given to you .. might be a lil off. I thought I was a more ISTJ than ESTJ .. and my buddy thought he was ESTJ and he was ISTJ .. he and I get along great .. of course we are almost the same age. He’s married .. hence why I tell him she turned him into an I from an E. Women can do that to a man ;@) .. lol

  12. I’ve always found the Meyers-Brigg personality test to be the most accurate. INTJs are very interesting people. You all have a way about you that is so inviting to others and magnetic.

    Sincerely,
    –ENFP ๐Ÿ˜€

  13. My results:
    Your personality type: INTJ (assertive variant)
    Strength of individual traits: Introverted: 25%, Intuitive: 53%, Thinking: 52%, Judging: 38%, Assertive: 31%.

  14. I have only 2 reservations:
    I think I’m just as much extravert as introvert
    I’m at least as much observant as intuitive. I even doubt there’s such a thing as intuition.

    Hobbies
    I like doing all the things under INTJs’ Hobbies above. However… in practice I’m much more into outdoor activities, most of them rugged.

    BTW
    Padawan shirked the test. He promised me he’d take it, but I found him skulking in the shed muttering some salty ditty under his breath. I never will understand that bloke.

  15. Hi Tarn & Spawny, I flunked the Myers-Briggs test, so my personality got suspended for six months.

    Spawny, if there is a God, when God made you He broke the mold, lol. A unicorn. You “feel” like an autist even if you don’t have the social handicaps.

  16. TRUE STORY

    I’m sure it has happened before and this is a probably a cliche but here it really did happen:

    A few months ago one of my great aunts decided to take a *great* leap forward and engage in social stuff on line. Meantime another relative died. Great aunt, who has a kind heart, said, “All my thoughts and all of my heart are with you, hearing Minnie has passed away. LOL”

    In bygone days, LOL meant lots of love.

  17. @Gamer
    It’s not so much that I feel like I’m on the spectrum, it’s just that I don’t find it hard to ‘get’ the mindset of the functioning autist. Your talk of running simulations makes a lot of sense. Catching cues afterwards IS something that happens, more in the past though.

    From memory my INT numbers have dropped, but I am now a J. Similar to Cill’s numbers…who’s the more worried about that, I wonder?

    I wonder whether socialising with similarish, interesting people online has encouraged my sociability?

  18. The ability to get the mind set (I think) made me wonder if I was mildly on the spectrum. I took one online test to find out. I tested out as ‘normal’ (note the quotes there).

  19. Cill ..
    I think Iโ€™m just as much extravert as introvert

    I don’t think you understand how both E and I are used on the test.

    E types are energized after being around people.

    I types need down-time to recharge their.battery’s after being around people. It drains them.

    As for me I’m both now. Is 100% E up till about 8 yrs ago. The material describes as we mature we can develop opposite tendencies thru introspection skills. So I can empathize / or flat out develop the other side of each coin to maintain balance.

    But, most of the fields I have worked in are us ESTJ dominated and thusly if you want balance you start within first. I have never used this test for anything other than a filter because it happened so late in my career to be of any use. I have other techniques for evaluating and / or utilizing talents of others.

  20. I am an INFJ and male. My type makes up 2% of the world’s population, so
    obviously I am an “oddball loner.”
    I think the only reason I never became a school shooter is because of the “F”
    (Feeling) part. I CAN muster up empathy, and see the reasons people behave
    in a selfish manner. (Spiritual blindness.)
    Many people have recently critised the valadity of Myers-Briggs. I can only go
    by my experience, but it seems to me to be one of the best classification
    systems around.
    The best book about Myers-Briggs is “Please Understand Me” Vol 2, by
    David Kiersey.
    Another excellent personality system is the Ennagram. Many people are
    linking up the two systems. For example, an INTJ would likely be an
    Ennagram #5: “The Observer.”
    I make a hobby of testing out hundreds of personality systems. The best way
    to tell if it is a valid system is NOT by how “scientific” it is, but by how accurate
    it pegs a person. It’s best to type a REALLY infamous person. If the system
    tells you that Charles Manson is a really nice guy, you’re probably using the
    wrong system!

  21. @Spawny
    I think I only get your humor because my own brand involves self deprecation too…Which makes a lot of my American “kin” look at me oddly. I have a feeling that it’s magnified because I’m female though. It’s a rare one who can notice her flaws, point them out to others, then laugh about them.

  22. @KG
    Yup. I admit I’m a bit biased towards it since Jung is my favorite psychological researcher and I agree with just about everything he says. Perhaps it’s not so bad since I learned about him *from* taking the M-B, though?

    I’ve found that most personality tests (especially the crappy ones that constantly get posted to Facebook) have a much lower chance of actually describing you as you usually are…more like 40-50% compared to this test’s 90%+.

  23. @jblondie

    Ah, you’re like my lover!
    I wonder if, as Liz also pointed out, INTJs and ENFPs are just so balanced together that we “click” the moment we speak to each other? From the very first conversation I had with my FwB there was instantaneous interest…I didn’t think of him sexually at that point, but my ears certainly pricked up.

  24. @Miss
    “by how accurate it pegs a person”
    Yeah, my numbers for INTJ aren’t all that strong (INT used to be stronger, J was nothing, I doubt I was assertive before), but the description on the site that Tarn gave for Assertive INTJ nails me.

    p.s. (if you want to)
    what’s the story with your name? you’re a guy, so the name would seem to be making a statement. As you should be able to gather from how I get on with Tarn, I don’t mind what your answer is…it just feels like data (INTJ…:) ). I’m very relaxed about paths people choose to take, but I do try and keep them positive in outlook. I now know (from Tarn’s link) this to be the ‘mature & assertive INTJ’ thing. Emotions are clues and tools, to be understood and used. Use anger to get things done, or dump it as toxic to your own self.

    As a crumbly old geezer from another anglophone country (UK) I’d be very interested in your viewpoint. I’m very interested in what the upcoming generations think and feel. (I’m assuming that you’re early-mid twenties, but I don’t remember seeing you ever say that). I’ve seen comments by Troll King (if that means anything to you) in the manosphere that were very interesting. But you guys seem to prefer 4chan/reddit etc (pre GG anyway) where I find the interesting stuff hard to find in the chaff.

    If you comment on my blog your first comment will go into mod (all first ones do), but it will be freed as soon as I see it. After that the comments can flow more immediately. I’d love to understand your experiences, how you see the future. I’m a believer in men, I’m pretty much an MGTOW, with a sideline in MRA. Tarn is present there too.

    Or you can keep it here, your choice, obviously.

  25. Tarn,
    I think that self deprecation is useful in humanising the perceptions of those interacting with the ebul INTJ overlord. Death stare and all. My blank expression is ‘pissed off’, when engaged I am usually visibly playing with ‘you’ / engaged with ‘you’ / smiling. Pretty much my preferred web personality.

    You mention an internal soundtrack, I get that. I don’t do it, but I get it.

  26. @Cill
    Oh, Padawan… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Honeycomb already pointed it out, but the E and I simply talk about how you react to groups. I’m fine with small ones, but my I means that even during conventions when I’m really enjoying myself I have to take a break and just “be alone” in the hotel room to reorient.

    I fixed the Hobbies section to include the type of outdoor activities INTJs are usually drawn to. Can’t believe I missed ’em…

    I don’t know if there’s intuition as how most think about it. Like, there’s no “woman’s intuition” or such…I am of the opinion that the majority of people with good intuitive sense are just more aware of their surroundings and interactions than others, and thus are able to use said information to make better decisions.

  27. @theasdgamer

    Hey there! Sorry to hear you “flunked” the test…I’m sure you’ll get your personality back before the 6 months are up though. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  28. @Miss
    “obviously I am an โ€œoddball loner.โ€”

    My sociability increased markedly through my twenties as my life experiences made me more confident – I gave things a go, they mostly worked better than I expected, I gave more things a go. More recently I think that I’ve found interesting people on the web, that has engaged me more sociably. (as long as you keep the trolls out)

    Go out, try things, have fun…you may be surprised at how much your personality can change. Step one is dump the negativity though, that shit is poison. Stop giving a damn, start trying things without caring so much about the outcome…it works. I did it by accident, you can push things along.

  29. @Spawny

    Are you and theasdgamer talking about running simulations in your head on conversations you might have, and trying to have responses pre-thought of? I do that all the time…When I was younger it was so that I’d have a response ready for when I was bullied, now it’s just done out of habit.

    I sometimes feel like imagining all these various scenarios ahead of time is “cheating” though…

  30. I know you are, dearheart. But just look at what good company you’re in! Spawny, Cill, Liz, myself…others who understand you.

    Being INTJ doesn’t necessarily mean having no F, we just don’t express it well or allow it to dominate our actions. In my mind, empathy is a very logical thing to have, especially given that we’re one of the five Great Apes and have complex social needs. If we didn’t have empathy for our family, our neighbor, our tribe, our village, etc we would never have come up with concepts of honor or justice.

  31. Tarn,
    I can’t speak for Gamer, but I very much do what you describe, but also because I believe in being honest and straightforward, but realise that others don’t end up being so – through confusion / lack of introspection as well as dishonesty – i.e. it’s not necessarily a lack of honesty, it can easily just be an honest failure to connect. I find I sometimes need to post-analyse a conversation that I actually had to see where my take of it went wrong, or right.
    I find communication as clear as I prefer sometimes hard to achieve with other ‘breeds’… ๐Ÿ˜‰
    I will usually prefer voice to text communication (to pick up on nuances) and camera to voice (visual cues).
    Another thing that I suspect that I share with gamer is that if I write something I will often go through multiple drafts/re-edits in order to try and tighten the message and make it accesible to others…with mixed results. This also requires running simulations…

  32. @Spawny

    That’s the conclusion I’ve reached as well, re: self deprecation.

    I understand that you may not have to do it. Working in retail though…well, people need to be able to approach you and this seemed like the best solution.

    Strangely, I’ve had some female customers tell me I “smile too often”, but I’ve never had a male say so. Still not sure what that’s about…Any ideas?

  33. To hobbies, I’d add scuba diving (beyond holiday dips. i.e. techy diving at some level), driving and shooting. Things where analysis and insight improves results. Also free-range cooking (recipes as rough guides, not to be followed exactly). Walking (including navigation, route planning etc).

    Which I reckon is what Cill was talking about above.

  34. Lol, so you mean it wasn’t odd for me to have 4 rough drafts for my essays instead of 1?

    See, I prefer face to face communication with people I know…I’m not socially handicapped enough to not be able to “fake it” with new people, but I find many don’t have matching body language. You know what I’m saying? It gets confusing when someone’s saying X but their body language is saying Z. I often wonder which one I’m supposed to respond to…what they’re saying verbally or physically? Or a combination thereof?

    Each time I do the “combination response” I either get a startled look of How Did You Know That, or a fierce defense of You’re Not Listening To My Words.

    *sigh* People are confusing. It’s so much easier to understand “lesser” animals.

  35. Tarn
    “I understand that you may not have to do it.”
    As a techy I love the rough and tumble of design debate, let the best ideas win. I can get quite intense in the analysis, I need to guard against people thinking I’m trampling them and their ideas (I’m not…I will take other proposals seriously…the problem is how I’m perceived at times). A sense of humour and approachability helps lubricate the discussion. It also encourages others to join in, I love that if they’re engaged in making the best design. I love the potential to learn from them too.

    Do your female customers mistake your smile for potential submissiveness to males – betrayal of the herd? Or just concern for you? Could be either.

    In reality such men (and women) can be quickly disabused of their mis-reading of the situation, you can just drop the smile and engage the death-stare (initially set to stun, you’re a nice person). Are the women warning you of a situation that you can correct (but they don’t realise that).

    Kind of “Hey, I’d rather we settled the problem and I will signal willingness to engage positively, but if you’re going to be a tit about it, we can do battle instead *shrug*”
    initial willingness to cooperate isn’t signing up to complete submission. Sometimes the lesson has to be given, unfortunately. Iron hand in velvet glove.

  36. “Lol, so you mean it wasnโ€™t odd for me to have 4 rough drafts for my essays instead of 1?”

    no…not odd. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    My blog is ‘just type’ right now as I’m not sure whether it will work out. I don’t know that I have to say. I prefer to be more reactive in conversation, so I prefer the comments to the post.

  37. “Initial willingness to cooperate isn’t signing up to complete submission.”
    Beautiful, Spawny. This, exactly! Just because I’m open to learning from you or taking your opinions into consideration/validating your stance *doesn’t* preclude me giving up my own stance or indicating I’ll be in “student mode”.

    You know, what you say in regards to (some of) my female customers makes sense. I did have one weird experience last year where I was talking and joking with a random older man in front of me at the grocery…When he left and it was my turn, the cashier (a woman of about 50) pursed her lips, gave me a stern look, and said “You shouldn’t have to go out of your way to be friendly to them.” The woman behind me in line nodded.

    I looked back and asked what she was talking about, but she only shook her head and gave me my receipt. It was surreal…like I’d missed a huge conversation.

    Could she, and my customers, mean that I shouldn’t feel like I need to smile at men?

  38. Cill’s sailing is another such undertaking; complex planning. Winds, tides, currents, weather, daylight, bouyage, lights etc. I’m not into sailing sailing, but I am a diver cox. Which is an overlapping set of skills with a few new ones added in.

    INTJs are not just for indoor pursuits. Took me a while to realise that as a youngster.

  39. Yup. My love is for the forest over the sea…the rocks and trees and green over the waves and clouds and blue. But I imagine our basic experiences in our preferred environments are similar.

  40. “Beautiful, Spawny. This, exactly!”
    ๐Ÿ˜‰ it can happen. Another INTJ – INTJ moment right there. Joy at a recognition of an accurate, useful statement. I feel good about it too, BTW.

    “Could she, and my customers, mean that I shouldnโ€™t feel like I need to smile at men?”

    Yeah. There are such female attitudes, “it’s a battle! A zero sum game. Show no weakness”.

    The problem for such women is that men are catching on. Part of MGTOW is returning the attitude (or just indifference). As I’ve seen it said, “What if there was a gender war…and men turned up?”. That’s where we are right now. After 40+ years men are turning up (or walking away). GamerGate is a great example of masculinity in action (not just men, but the line in the sand is a male thing to do). I’m proud of my Gamer brothers and sisters.

  41. I am too. As I said previously, the #NotMyShield was absolutely fantastic. SJWs really should take their collective heads from their asses and stop being offended on behalf of other people. Empathy is good. Sympathy is good. Listening to someone about what forms of societal crap they live with every day is good, as is helping to make others aware of it.

    But trying to pretend you are a representative of said group and have the right to speak for any of them at any given time? Yeah…no. For one thing, nobody can truly speak for anyone else, nor should they try to. For another, SJWs literally cannot comprehend a member of an oppressed group who doesn’t encounter individual oppression or wants to help those who are worse off.

    Example: I think women are still unequal in some areas, but men are moreso. Thus, for me it’s better to discuss men’s rights than women’s rights, even though both need work.

  42. Re: Smiling
    The only time I felt “forced” to smile was when I was still a teen. My great grandmother had died 1 day prior, and I was at work…not smiling, but still being pleasant. One of my male customers told me to smile, and I explained why I didn’t feel like being overly cheerful. He scowled and said “You’re working. You don’t get a choice.”

    Douche…

    Other than that one instance, I have never felt like men *expect* me to smile, but I’ve gotten numerous compliments for being a happy/friendly person. Out of the blue, too. I was grabbing a quart of milk yesterday and an elderly guy touched my shoulder and said “I just wanted to let you know, it’s so nice to see a young lady like yourself smile.” Then he walked away…Weird, but it gave me warm fuzzies inside.

    What’s with all these people thinking I’m a “lady”? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  43. “Hey Liz, come have fun at my place some time, as well.”

    I’d love to! Thanks for the inviteโ€ฆ
    But, did I miss the address, Swithy? I couldn’t find it by clicking on your profile.

    Going to have fun with emoticons and see what works nowโ€ฆI like that little winky thing. Like the emoticons in this placeโ€ฆwish J4G used this type. That huge toothy grin is too much, and the tongue thing looks like a giant red mouth.

    ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ™‚ :-l

  44. @RPgirlnotes

    Aw, geez…I was wondering why it got 80 views after only being up for 30 minutes! Lol, Spawny is a good friend.

    I saw you had gotten invited to his blog…have you visited yet? What do you think?

  45. Tarn: “My love is for the forest over the sea”

    Cill is a most fortunate man
    For both of the above has he
    Leaves in the whispering trees out back
    And in front, the glittering sea.

  46. Liz: “But, did I miss the address, Swithy”

    All you do is click on his name, you do
    His site then appears by by sheer force of ego, it does.
    Narcissistic personality disorder, he has.

  47. “Spawney posted a link to this at j4g so I came over to check it out!”

    Aha, so it’s Blame Spawny Day, is it?

    I would claim to be surprised, but then every day is Blame Spawny Day round here.

  48. Tarn: Ha, everyone loves the power of my emoticons. (Looking at you, Cill.)

    At Padawan looking you should be:

    ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜€ XD >:D ๐Ÿ˜ฆ ๐Ÿ˜ฅ ๐Ÿ˜ :/ ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜ก o_O ๐Ÿ˜Ž ^^’ โค ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿฑ ๐Ÿ‘ฟ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ’ก โ— โ“ โญ

    And Cill's Favourite ๐Ÿ˜Ž is smart, it was.
    And Bloom a favourite too, she has: โžก
    ๐Ÿป ๐Ÿป ๐Ÿป ๐Ÿป ๐Ÿป ๐Ÿป

  49. Padawan?! You’ll be the death of me you errant prat! I’ve been looking for you ALL NIGHT!!!

    GET BACK HOME AND TAKE THAT TEST, YOU LITTLE…

  50. PITA, mmmmH?

    Padawan got following when actual test took:

    “Your personality type: EEE E ((assertive variant))
    Strength of individual traits: Extraverted: 100%, Extraverted: 100%, Extraverted: 100%, Extraverted: 100%.

    0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of population, Padawan he be.
    Feeling Whakapohane coming on, is he:
    ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

  51. Awesome! Thanks for the link Sophiaโ€ฆ
    Whoa, Padawanโ€ฆ
    I copied and pasted your emoticons and they show up!!
    This is so exciting!

    ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜€ XD >:D ๐Ÿ˜ฆ ๐Ÿ˜ฅ ๐Ÿ˜ :/ ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜ก o_O ๐Ÿ˜Ž ^^โ€™ โค ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿฑ ๐Ÿ‘ฟ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ’ก โ— โ“ โญ

  52. “PITA”
    miaou! saucer of milk to table 5!

    Poor old Padawan. I picture him as a great big, shaved down, Wookie. He could be Cill’s twin, so I hear.

  53. In an attempt to garner sympathy for Cill, InternetAristocrat describes his issue (or maybe, just his main one (I hope))

    InternetAristocrat – Tumblrisms: Headmates

  54. Spawny October 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM: “No laughs at the jokes in 1 & 3?”
    Honeycomb October 6, 2014 at 9:30 PM: “Iโ€™m that big meany they warned yenz bout ;@)”

    Padawan too knows
    What it is to be alone
    With one’s own sparkling humour
    When he posted elsewhere
    The response here and there,
    Gave The Big Man a flaming tumour

    Spawny October 6, 2014 at 9:15 PM: ” Love Laurel & Hardy. Nix for Chaplin”
    No wonder his Myers-Briggs changes
    This is Yank-Brit in constant exchanges,
    It is.

    Spawny 9:25 PM: “he had a very convoluted mental health history. I donโ€™t (none)”
    Padawan also has none.
    Woefully non-withit, he is.

    Cill October 6, 2014 at 11:17 PM, his results:
    Adds up to 199% does he,
    Just one short of two ton of codswallop, he be.

    Liz October 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM
    Keep Padawan code for future postings, you should.
    Singly or mass-displayed emoticons, if you would
    His awesome permit goes to you, so you’re good.

  55. I’m right in between INTP and INFP — leaning toward the first. So I’m a strong blend of a rational and an idealist. Which totally fits with being a sociologist. Sociologists use science to try to make the world better.

  56. Tarn,

    I see you’ve added “outdoor” hobbies now. Are you pulling my leg, or is this what they really are for an INTJ ? Serious question.

  57. Cill, this is truth. We generally prefer activities that are solo or only need 1-2 other people. Team sports like hockey, soccer, or baseball aren’t usually our thing.

  58. Cill in serious mode
    (having locked Padawan in the water closet for now):

    Now that I’ve looked into it a bit more (thanks to honeycomb who made me realize I need to) I can say that my Myers-Briggs is accurate to 100%
    Tarn’s 4:02 PM just confirms it, in effect.
    There are a lot of aspects about me that it *doesn’t* say, but that’s to be expected.

    In sport the only team game I played was rugby union, but I sorta faded out of it, not because I disliked it but because the team thing failed to engage me as much as alternative pastimes did.

    Tarn October 6, 2014 at 9:02 PM
    “Ironic that she believes a scientifically tested psychology-based questionnaire is ‘fake mumbo jumbo’, yet she reads her horoscope everyday and goes to psychics for advice.”

    Man, do I ever know plenty people like that! Lots of *women* who are like that, I have to say…

    And apologies in advance, tarn, but I just can’t resist this:
    Your October 7, 2014 at 1:49 PM + October 7, 2014 at 1:51 PM =
    “PITA = Pain In The Arse ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜€ … Youโ€™re welcome.”

    (After he read this, Padawan gloated:
    “First sign of madness it is,
    Talking to oneself…”

    Blame him for putting me up to this)

    Spawny October 7, 2014 at 3:25 AM: “From memory my INT numbers have dropped, but I am now a J. Similar to Cillโ€™s numbersโ€ฆwhoโ€™s the more worried about that, I wonder?”
    ” ’tis he, Spawny,
    Desparately,
    ’tis he!”
    (Padawan yelled that through the toilet door right now, FWIW.)

  59. Tarn at October 7, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Extraordinary, isn’t it? I dive every other day, weather permitting. And I like any sort of driving including dirt track racing. I do a lot of walking, not for the sake of it, but as a means to an end such as hunting. I do climbing for the sake of it, usually up vertical faces, or overhangs better still.

    My passion for shooting was inevitable as I have marksmen in my family tree. Archery – anything that involves projectiles or trajectory.

    I enjoy the “quieter” hobbies you listed, too, and the only reason I don’t do them much is that I enjoy the outdoor hobbies even more. Before I forget, I must mention that my favourite indoor hobby *by far* is listening to classical music e.g. JS Bach. That’s a major, for me.

    I’ve never tried Calvinball…

  60. It was Spawny not Tarn at October 7, 2014 at 9:28 AM !

    You’d be wondering what on earth my October 7, 2014 at 10:18 PM was all about, Tarn.
    It was Spawny who said he liked diving, walking, driving etc.

    Great Scott, is such blundering appropriate to an INT J ? I’ll be bringing us into disrepute.

  61. Hi Tarn,

    I know that the woman in Sandman’s latest video is not the same as you, she doesn’t claim to be gender dysphoric, but I wonder if you can get a post or two out of:
    1) the differences between her and you (explain the gender dysphoria vs tomboy). She sounds like a very INTJ INTJ to me, so I’m not even off topic(!)
    2) explain what she’s missing, what women don’t understand about MGTOW? (Sandman tackled what he wanted to, he didn’t make her questions as requests that must be granted)

    Enjoy

  62. Spawny October 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    I view Jenna’s comment as a roundabout way of making this argument:
    1. If a woman is physically attractive to a man, her mind will be unattractive to him.
    2. Her unattractive mind is what drives him to MGTOW
    3. If her mind is attractive to him (e.g. Jenna herself), she wont be suffienctly attractive to him physically.
    4. Therefore men make it impossible for their ideal woman to exist.
    5. Knowing this, if men continue to choose women for looks, they will have only themselves to blame for going MGTOW

    Blog post at spawnyspace ?

  63. Blog post at my place?

    Maybe. From my pov I’d be speculating about her motives, her thought processes. Not in a hateful way, but maybe unfairly. ‘ll put my Wurzle’s thinking head on. You do Gummidge, don’t you?

  64. @Tarn

    seen this?

    http://www.psypost.org/2014/10/researchers-find-evidence-feminists-masculinized-females-theory-28522

    interesting because it legitimises the sex part of the #NotYourShield / YouTube ‘Shield Project’ ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8qlxxl1MJG4kbwTAtGINnA ). There are also race and gender facets to it.

    Such women are complaining (about frigging time) that feminists (according to that link above) who are masculinised females demanding that they speak for all women (i.e. the feminine women as well) is an outrage.

    Feminine women wanting to be SAHM nurturing their families are not betraying feminists, because feminists and feminine women are not the same thing (though I’m sure that there are overlaps). Both female feminists and feminine women are (overlapping) subsets of women, neither gets should get to demand that their voice is the authentic voice for all women. That all women should live ‘this way’; feminists – career uber alles, FemFemales – mummydom as pinnacle. Both are valid choices, there are compromises required by trying for both (Very, very few get to ‘have it all’, same as for men).

    Tarn will already be well aware that I don’t require women want to be SAHM!

    I merely see it as a legitimate choice that some women might very well prefer. Basically I don’t believe that ‘gender norms’ were invented out of thin air, for many women they result from deeply wired, evolved female preferences on lifestyle. These gender norms are entirely optional as far as I am concerned. Do as you will as an individual. It’s feminists that are demanding that they get to define how all women must live, not me.

    As an MGTOWish kind of guy, I wish them (SAHM / familiy centric lifestyle seeking women) the best of luck finding a guy that will fund their preferred lifestyle (as long as they honour the associated vows, otherwise go to hell)). Personally I don’t put much value on coming home to a sofa with freshly plumped cushions and a hot meal. I don’t have kids, you cannot tell me that housewife for such a home is an arduous lifestyle.

  65. My bad, spelling error, he’s called ‘Worzel Gummidge’. A scarecrow that has different heads for different tasks (like Padawan is Cill with his Daft Head on)

  66. Regarding 2D:4D ratio ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio )

    Digit ratio distribution
    [snip image]
    From a study of 136 males and 137 females:[13]

    Males: mean 0.947, standard deviation 0.029.
    Females: mean 0.965, standard deviation 0.026.

    Assuming a normal distribution, the 95% confidence interval for average 2D:4D ratio is 0.889-1.005 for males and 0.913-1.017 for females.

    You’ll be shocked to find that my ratio is 0.91 (=> MALE, big time) My ring finger (4d) is much longer than my index finger (2d). I blame my mother, I was her first child. I’m sure that my father can share the blame, it’s not like blame is something in short supply.

    I never had a chance…add in ‘assertive INTJ’…and…being an old geezer…damn

    sux3bme, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  67. Bleh…morning. We are on poor speaking terms lately. As I’m sure you’ve noticed, my communication skills are a bit lacking just now. It’s the NYC Comic-Con this week (starting today, actually) and I’ve been running like a headless chicken all week. Have a 12 hour shift today, tomorrow, and Saturday…only 6 on Sunday though, bless Christians and their desire for “a day of rest”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  68. My 2D:4D “ratio”: 0.947
    Average.

    Spawny’s link at October 9, 2014 at 6:25 AM :

    In their anxiety to pre-kowtow to the Fems they’ve come up with one of the most glaring admissions ever:
    “Madison and his colleagues claim the ‘feminists-as-masculinized-females theory’ can help explain the so-called feminist paradox: why only a minority of women support a movement dedicated to improving their political rights and social position in society.”

    Well whaddaya know, it’s a superior hard-wired guardian-of-rights that the poor helpless majority needs. O dear, the poor little feminine things don’t know what’s good for them.
    Jesus wept. When will these people realize how ridiculous they sound?

  69. I see what you’re saying Cill, but I see that research as a huge step forward for everyone, or most reasonable people anyway. When Tarn gets time to give her views, I suspect that Tarn will agree.

    It’s a huge step forward for women, as it allows them to feel that they have a reason for not identifying with feminism very much any more. The stats for how many women self-identify as feminists is surprisingly low. I can’t remember the specific number, perhaps someone can find it. It’s 10-20% or so.

    Such unrepresented women can push to represent their own views, beliefs and desires outside feminism. We are seeing the start of this in #NotYourShield / The Shield Project on YouTube. I think that most women are far less misandric than feminists. Feminists work very hard to generate misandry in women with their ludicrous stats regarding wage gap, rape, patriarchy etc etc.

    Currently most women are being used as a powerbase by women who do not represent their interests, they represent only their own.

    I’d rather we let women capable of it start liking men again…WOW, JUST WOW…what a concept. Think what might happen if men and women called a halt to the feminist declared gender war! We could have happier men and women!

    As I said above, I have NO interest in enforcing gender roles. If you can legitimately do the job to the required standard? Come on in. Want to stay at home and nurture your kids? Find a willing partner and go do it. I don’t care! As it happens I am not in the market for a domestic goddess unfortunately (the number of offers that I have to turn down is…tiring *lol*). Men and women should be set free and given an equal chance to pursue what they are capable of.

    Let’s stop demanding women are the same as men. While there is a distinct overlap, there absolutely are women who like being feminine and men who like being masculine…and that’s great. I believe in the rule of reason and fairness.

  70. Don’t feel bad Cill, my ratio is extreme. Just remember that there’s nothing wrong with being mediocre proudly normal…in digit ratio anyway ๐Ÿ˜‰

  71. Just discovered this guy, I shall be watching more of his vids.

    Based guy
    I think that’s correct usage(?)
    I’m not sure, let’s face it, I’m too old for this new fangled techamanolological lingo.
    I like him, right? can we just go with that? Not to harrowing to hear the old words, is it?

    anyway…

  72. Spawny,

    “I think that most women are far less misandric than feminists”. Agreed, and I also agree that the research you linked at October 9, 2014 at 6:25 AM is a big step forward. I still think this quote can be interpreted as I did at October 9, 2014 at 6:25 AM:

    โ€œMadison and his colleagues claim the โ€˜feminists-as-masculinized-females theoryโ€™ can help explain the so-called feminist paradox: why only a minority of women support a movement dedicated to improving their political rights and social position in society.โ€

    Especially since it was preceded by this:

    “… professions and other activities that benefit from the practitioner being stronger, more aggressive and risk-taking, considered as more masculine traits, would also see a larger proportion of masculinized women among the more successful individuals.โ€

  73. I got INTP. I am not a very good long term planner and my plans are adaptable. Like many INTPs, I am absent minded, clueless socially and a bit eccentric.

  74. True. I think my unconventionality may unintentionally make people uncomfortable. Some people view me as strange and offbeat.

  75. Eoylus
    you need to give indications of numbers. I was an INTJ rather than INTP the first time round when I score +1 in J vs P…basically I would have been better described as INT with neither J nor P.

    All four scores are need to show how relevant each classification is…

    Now I am an INTJ (I rescored as +30 something J vs P, when I redid the test 3-4 years later). I don’t plan exhaustively exactly, I plan enough to know that any outcome is acceptable, I aim to make better outcomes occur, and then I expect to take it from there.

    You might call it meta-planning, I suppose. Planning about planning.

  76. “Yeah right, like thatโ€™s going to stand out around here”

    Speak for yourself! Some of us are totally average. Me, for example. I’m serious and earnest and utterly lacking in wit. “Thick as the proverbial”, that’s me. Also, I’m a man of few words. “The strong silent type” describes me to a T. You know that. You *all* know that. Come on. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  77. From such a face and form as mine the noblest sentiments sound like the black utterances of a depraved imagination. It’s human nature. I’m resigned.

  78. I am generally considered odd by mainstream conventional people and interesting to anti-mainsteam/unconventional people.

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