What If There Is A God?

The type of logical thinking that shows why atheists and Pagans tend to get along better than atheists/Pagans and Christians do. It doesn’t matter to me if someone believes in the Lady and Lord or not…only that they are moral people who try to do good in the world.

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There are people that do not understand my position on belief. Perhaps it is time to explain it again.

Atheism simply defined is, “Someone who LACKS BELIEF in a god or gods.”  So as an atheist I would never claim to KNOW that there are no gods.  In this context atheism is nothing more than the rejection of the proposition, “a god or god’s exist.”  It is not the positive statement, “there is no god.”

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As an atheist I agree completely. I further posit that the probability of a god is zero. Further, if a god exists and that god is like the description of the god of Abraham that god is not worthy of my desire, accolades, or worship. If there is a god that exists as described by deists it does not care what words I use nor who I sleep with and how. If a god exists…

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30 thoughts on “What If There Is A God?

  1. I don’t understand why anyone would feel the need to be defensive about their lack of religion. If you don’t believe, don’t believe. I don’t find it necessary to justify my unbelief in Santa.
    Someone trying to force conversions?

  2. People feel the need to be defensive about their lack of religion (or in my case, a minority religion) due to attacks from others. You can’t be defensive without something to defend against.

    It’s not always about followers trying to force conversions. It can be defending yourself from someone who says “I hope you die soon so you go to hell and see how wrong you are”. It’s about not letting a teacher tell your child that your non-majority faith “isn’t real” and she needs to pick a different one to do her report on. It’s about having a restaurant customer write on the bill that your service was superb and they’d normally leave a big tip…but they saw your pentacle necklace and don’t believe in rewarding “devil worshippers”. It’s about schools teaching Christian creation myths alongside actual science like the Theory of Evolution and natural selection. It’s being an atheist parent, learning that your son was taken to church without your knowledge the morning after a sleepover and now dealing with his nightmares of burning in hell.

    None of these have happened to me (although I do have stories of my own), but to people I know or have known. This is why someone might be defensive.

  3. OMFg you could have issued a trigger warning!

    I have just found myself agreeing with Ricky Gervais…!!!

    the most over-rated, over-arrogant un-funnymen in history.

  4. I had a friend invited to a supper by the local anglican vicar. It was a friendly gathering of non-church going men with the vicar/priest/whatever. He proceeded to tell them that they must be quite alright with little girls dying because…errm…not believers.

    As our lord Ricky says (piss be upon him), the opposite is true. A non-believer sees the death of a person as being the end of everything they are and could be. No heavenly afterlife etc.

    If I’d have been invited the whole evening would have been much more interesting that the sanctimonious event that my friend attended.

  5. I think that ‘tolerance for the hard-of-thinking’ has been over done in our societies. Even within my lifetime stupid people used to keep their views to themselves for fear of being laughed at…it worked. People could disagree with something and there’d be a debate, I’m not talking about a silencing of everybody.

    These days the daft are solidly convinced that their opinions are as valid as anyone else’s. The blessings of liberal, valueless education and the praising of moxie.

  6. The Bible is a book of PROGRESSIVE REVELATION. The “primative”
    supersticious requirements of the Old Testament have been overthrown by the
    principle of GRACE. Grace is an unmerited GIFT. God gives us this gift for no other
    reason but that He loves us.
    The section of the Bible that is revelant to Christians today is the Gospel of John.
    That book should be read before anyone says that belief in God is nonsense.
    Also, the Bible makes it implicitedly clear that “No man can come to me except
    it be given by the Father.” The ways of God are indescriperible to the average man.
    It has nothing whatever to do with “intellect.” In fact, intellect is a hinderance.

  7. “intellect is a hinderance”

    you know what, mate? I have noticed that. I’m sure my life would have been easier if I just did what the guy in charge, or a book, said.

  8. I just had no choice, Tarn. I just find it impossible to believe in comfortable truths just because they’re comfortable. I don’t begrudge others their beliefs as long (until) they start telling me what I must believe. As it happens I have a lot of christian values (grew up in a nominally christian country after all), I just don’t have any religious feelings whatsoever. In the UK that isn’t a difficult combination, we don’t have religious people pushing their beliefs 24/7, or we didn’t. When you don’t have people prodding you in the chest telling you what you have to believe it’s much easier to not care about religion (my preferred state).

  9. “I had a friend invited to a supper by the local anglican vicar. It was a friendly gathering of non-church going men with the vicar/priest/whatever. He proceeded to tell them that they must be quite alright with little girls dying because…errm…not believers.”

    Isn’t that sorta the vicar’s job, though? Go to dinner at the Vicar’s, he/she will talk religion and try to convert you. Go to the politician’s home and he/she will talk politics and try to convert you. Go to the KKK grand wizard’s house and…don’t be surprised if he brings out the Lil’ Sambo plate wear.

  10. Liz,
    they expected to be ‘worked upon’. But they expected a little more respect than to be considered likely to fall for that beau-lux*. Time was, a vicar might be expected to be one of the intelligentsia of the parish, rather than a obnoxious buffoon.

    I wish I’d been invited, would have been a night of laughter

    *in happier times I used to use the word bollocks on US websites without you lot knowing it was naughty…*sigh* I’ve seen natives from your side of the Atlantic using it. And so one has to pretty it up nowadays.

  11. “I wish I’d been invited, would have been a night of laughter”

    I’m sure that would have been appreciated (by most anyway)!

    (and I’m definitely stealing beau-lux….Ebul Liz laughter he, he, he) 😛

  12. ‘beautiful light’ in french-latin…how charming is that?
    (French-latin is a very flexible language as you just make it up as you go along…c’est pratique, c’est belle)

  13. “Someone trying to force conversions?”
    Tarnished, the Abrahamic approach to transcendence is an odd and often dangerous one. Its a relief that a shift is happening toward pre-Abrahamic philosophy and even “new age” stuff, as corny as it often is, is so much better. I’d much rather be around a bunch of New Atheists and New Agers than a lot of Christians and Muslms. Jews are generally cool though.

  14. Yes, there is a Creator. What there is not are the gods of the various ancient superstitions which have plagued mankind since a lack of science prevented understanding reality without a supernatural being.

    What lit the lamp for me was a old spiritual, the one which goes “So high, you can’t get over it, so low you can’t get under it, so wide you can’t get ’round it.”

    Such a thing does exist, and it fits all of the tenets in their various misunderstandings. Anyone with a brain can derive the identity of the Creator.

  15. ““Someone trying to force conversions?”

    Christians missionaries are tryng their damnedest to do just that in many regions. Non-missionary, but still fanatical, Chistians try to control the narrative in any social situation, as do fanatical minded Muslims.

    Its an issue.

  16. I really hope there’s a God, but I worry. I worry that humans made up God to assuage their own fears and insecurities. Nevertheless, I hope that’s not the case.

    If there’s not a God, then oh well. If there is, I’m rooting for her. Either way, I can handle it.

  17. @Mann Fuga
    There might be God’s or a God…none of us can know for sure. I believe that there is a Goddess and God, but if it was proven that deities were fictional I’d be fine. I’m not a good or moral person because I’m a Wiccan. I am not helpful because it earns me brownie points with Them, and I don’t respect others because I am afraid of supernatural punishment. I do these things because I have ethics that I strive to live up to everyday.

    My advice would be to not worry about whether there is a God or not, just keep trying to be the best person you can and help other people do the same. That way, you will leave the world a better place regardless of what awaits you afterwards.

  18. ““I had a friend invited to a supper by the local anglican vicar. It was a friendly gathering of non-church going men with the vicar/priest/whatever. He proceeded to tell them that they must be quite alright with little girls dying because…errm…not believers.”

    “Isn’t that sorta the vicar’s job, though? Go to dinner at the Vicar’s, he/she will talk religion and try to convert you.”

    “they expected to be ‘worked upon’. But they expected a little more respect than to be considered likely to fall for that beau-lux*. Time was, a vicar might be expected to be one of the intelligentsia of the parish, rather than a obnoxious buffoon.”

    I would expect a vicar in a tu-tu to be learned enough to objectively and neutrally discuss how religions evolve in different ways around the world and how they shape cultures, are shaped from cultures, and their relevance, if any, in today’s world.

    Unfortunately you don’t find that level of discourse amongst many American Christians. I don’t now if its just our country but we have a large perecentge of very stupid people lacking in any philosophical nuance whatsoever claiming to be Christians. The intelligent ones are either not religious or they attend Unity or UU.

    I invited a group of Christians to an interfaith forum at a UU and they all said, “that’s a cult”.

    Seriously?

  19. “It’s about schools teaching Christian creation myths alongside actual science like the Theory of Evolution and natural selection. ”

    Its funny to see those very same creationists and biblical literalists cite “evo-psych” on certain blogs though. LOL.

    It must suck to be them and have to deal with so much cognitive dissonance.

  20. @Thanksvegan
    Re: Evo psyche spouting Christians
    It has been explained to me in the past that they are accepting of micro-evolution, not macro-evolution. Very convenient, I must say!

  21. Jesus said He didn’t come to change the Law but to FULFILL, or COMPLETE the
    Law. Man is now FREE from the impossible-to-keep O.T. Laws.
    That’s why Christ had to keep the commandments PERFECTLY. He never sinned once.
    He kept the laws PERFECTLY on humanity’s behalf.
    When Jesus came to John The Baptist to be baptised, John said, “You should be
    baptising ME.” Jesus responded, “Suffer (Allow) it so, that all righteousness be filled.”
    Jesus kept the commandments PERFECTLY, and was the only human ever to do so
    because He was more then a human. He was God incarnate!
    A human might keep the Ten commandments, but on the INSIDE he was incapable
    of keeping them. Don’t steal. “Oh I wish I had…” Don’t commit adultry. “I want to _____
    that person so bad, I can taste it.” Don’t kill. “I wish that person were dead!” “Are
    there any acceptions?” “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.” “My child broke his
    arm, I’ve got to go get help.” Thou shall not lie.” Sure! And so on….
    But the most important thing Christ did for us is DIE for us on a tree. It was a tree, NOT
    a “dead” cross. It HAD to be a living tree for symbolic reasons.
    “The wages of sin are DEATH.” So to save humanity, Christ (God) had to DIE, and He
    had to stay dead for 3 days. You weren’t offically “dead” if you weren’t dead for three
    days. And Christ HAD to come back to life on the third day. If He didn’t, NONE of us
    has any hope of experiencing life after death:
    “If Christ be not raised, thy faith is in vain; And all those that died believing in Christ
    have PERISHED!”
    That’s right. Man is MORTAL. That was the ultimate purpose of Christ. To save us
    from ETERNAL DEATH!

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